>>2667 Yes, there is certainly a lot of experimentation happening in this area. My suspicions is that China, for example, has already succeeded in artificial human gestation via animal surrogacy, and pigs seem the most likely species to pull it off with given their many similarities to human systems, including our embryonic ones. I could be entirely wrong ofc. I'm not aware of any public claims in the literature by the Chinese or anyone else for that matter regarding a success in this area yet. The problems are many, but conceivably surmountable. But IMO It'd sure be pretty gross to find out one day you were born from a literal pig though. I'd much rather hear I came from an purely-technical artificial womb I think. :^)

Was listening to a video on synthetic life and apparently they can already print custom human DNA for a few million dollars and theoretically grow it into a human being if it's coded properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU_pfCtSWF4

>>2678 thanks for the info anon, will give it a listen.

>>2671 We need a starting point before we go for more complex systems. Let's learn what does and doesn't work before we move on to fully artificially wombs.

>>2695 Sound wisdom. The only obvious practical choice atm is human-female paid surrogacy. That's a complex enough topic all on it's own to go on with, I think. :^)

The focus here should clearly be on building networks to help men having children with surrogates. Also, making sure we are not being scammed or the prices would generally be to high. Getting women from developed countries to go to ones with more libertarian laws, to sell some egg cells won't be easy. The process isn't pleasant.

>>4292 >The focus here should clearly be on building networks to help men having children with surrogates. I expect that probably quite beyond our current resources (and a fair distraction from our core mission as well). It's certainly a desirable goal, but we're more or less limited to posting links to groups and other resources, etc., ITT--that motivated anons such as yourself dig up for us and tell us about. In that sense we might become a sort of politically-incorrect gateway on this important topic for men who have this need, but frankly couldn't care less about robowaifus. Maybe we can be a help to a broader community of men this way, if only motivated anons take the bull by the horns and deliver links and resources here. Interested?

>>4296 I meant, that >>4292 makes more sense than hoping for artificial wombs or getting distracted by looking into details there. MGTOWs and Incels are interested in having children with surrogates, using nannies or fembots to help raising them. I'm currently trying to focus on bots and learning the tech, but organizing to archive such goals might become interesting at some point.

>>4304 > MGTOWs and Incels are interested in having children with surrogates, using nannies or fembots to help raising them. I'm neither, and I'm interested in the same thing, particularly the latter choice. Effectively all Westernized women are infected with feminism brainwashing. I don't wan them--nannies included--passing that evil on to my children. >I'm currently trying to focus on bots and learning the tech, Good luck to us all. >but organizing to archive such goals might become interesting at some point. I hope you or someone else takes the reins and actually does this. It's an important--but ancillary--issue here, and it would be nice to help disenfranchised men everywhere through /robowaifu/, not just those of us who want our own waifubots.

>>157 >I think we need to figure out how to fit a womb onto a waifubot I personally don't think so. Why risking the life of your child everytime she gets slightly bumped? What we should really be doing is giving her a semen storage unit that she can use to the put the sperm another place and keep the artificial womb outside of her.

>>4688 These are pretty good points IMO Anon.

>>4688 Indeed. It is much easier to maintain homeostasis too in a nice, cabinet-sized artificial womb than trying to cram it in a tiny robotic abdomen.

>>4698 Exactly. With robowaifus we now have a chance of creating our women, so why not make them the best? Why limit the concept of femininity to the modern woman's one if we can make it better?

>>4698 >>4703 So where do we get the eggs from for our blessed offspring?

>>4706 Making sure that whole thing works would be a huge topic of it's own, depends also on the country. Paid donors of course, but not possible everywhere. Making eggcells from normal cells has already been tested in a lab, though.

>>4706 From our skin. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1776276/men-could-have-babies-without-women-by-creating-artificial-eggs-from-skin-cells/

>>4688 Aye, that along with engineered egg cells would be enough to produce a viable fetus.

>>4703 Y'know, part of what limits human intelligence is the size of a woman's hips. Larger brains require larger heads, and those are difficult to pass through birth canals. With a completely separate artificial womb this problem can be eliminated. >>2671 Pig uterus recellularized with human cells kept alive via ex vivo organ perfusion is probably our best bet at an artificial womb. There is already a lot of research done in that area.

>>8007 > ex vivo organ perfusion Interesting I didn't know about that one. So, can you clarify the proposal here? Is the idea that the uterus (pig's presumably?) be kept alive outside a body during the gestation process?

>>8009 >So, can you clarify the proposal here? Is the idea that the uterus (pig's presumably?) be kept alive outside a body during the gestation process? Yes that is the gist of it. Organs can be kept alive outside the body if they are put into similar conditions to the body. The organs are kept at body temperature and supplied with blood. This technology is already used in order to keep organs alive for transplants. HOWEVER these organs are usually only kept alive for a couple of days. Though it is worth noting that there have been animal tests that have lasted weeks or even months, and this technology is rapidly advancing. It should also be noted that this pigs are the model organism for this technology. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/transplant/programs/Ex-Vivo-Perfusion.html https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28266040/

>>8011 We could bring a human baby to term inside an artificial womb/xenopregnancy at this present day if the government of any first-world nation were insane enough to devote the resources to it. Although such a move would be incredibly ethically questionable (many destroyed ova and aborted babies due to failed attempts) and there is currently no demand for such technology. Surrogacy and fostering take precedence over it.

>>8012 Good points. OTOH, it also highlights the one nation that is likely to achieve it first: namely China. First, they have a large deficit of females that is even more likely to increase now that they are granting stronk, independynts the right to """choose""". Secondly, they have no such ethical compunctions (which are directly an artifact of the growth of Christianity and The Western Tradition hand-in-hand).

Yeah, I also tend to think that either China or Russia will produce the first synthetically birthed humans (possible they already have). Both countries are ahead of the West in stem cell research, and Russia has its well established Biopreparat facilities for biochem research. Even if the bodies produced aren't sentient, growing all of those replacement organs will be lucrative and very useful both medically and militarily.

>>8012 I think there would be demand if it would be working reliably. Women could go on working instead of being pregnant, men could have their own children, both in a much later stage of life. It should first be tested on animals of course. It also makes more sense to use it first to make pregnancy shorter, which could be used by mothers but also by surrogates. In the later case it would also prevent them from getting attached to the baby. Also, the customer and the doctors would not have to monitor the woman for factors like her eating habits or other behaviors which could be harmful to the baby. The surrogate herself could have more babies, even more at once, if they could be taken out earlier and moved to some artificial womb.

>>8012 We could sell the idea from a feminist or trans rights approach. "Free women from motherhood" "Transwomen can have babies too!" I think SJW types are dumb enough to buy that shit.

>>8016 It's not completely BS, though. Some things are a zero sum game, or it's just more complicated. They would be able to cut pregnancy short and reduce their mother role by having a robonanny. Also, could be easier for them to have children without a husband. Women will be hit by having no men if they want to and also might be financially affected, if more men go MGTOW bc robowaifus, lovebots and artificial wombs. The really interesting part of that topic would be how we can get to a point where men can have children without needing a woman as partner. That might be outside of the scope of this board. It also is interesting before having robowaifus, since one could also use a nanny to nurture the child for the first four or five year. It's more about organizing that. Western women selling eggcells abroad, having reliable clinics and surrogates, infrastructure to host the surrogates and control their habits for a few month, getting the children over the border and accepted by law, excluding the eggcell donor from any motherly entitlements. Having artificial wombs would be an extension of that, making it easier, more reliable, more scaleable, closer to home and maybe cheaper.

>>8016 While it is true that they would fall for it I don't think it would fool there "handlers" who would immediately see through our rouse.

>>8043 Good point Anon. They are probably far craftier & cynical than we ourselves are, always expecting the worst from everyone around them and plotting accordingly. They wouldn't be taken in for a minute, regardless whether they felt they should fool their golems into believing so or not. Accordingly, what we should be doing is devising ways to convince the handlers themselves it's in their best bottom-line interest to play along as well.

>>8044 Well I think they would always like the free human labor because rebellious humans can be dealt with a lot better than a rebellious AI that just hacked access to hundreds of metal worker robots. Maybe all human in the future are birthed in giant womb factories with the best worker DNA being harvested by campion bots and deferent Dna is combined based on what is needed. Need workers combine the best worker stock, need a new genius for new ideas make an Einstein. All the while the robowifes will keep there companions happy, docile, and well loved. I'm okay with this outcome.

>>8045 >currently watching The Matrix series <lots of similarities here Kek. You have the makings of a fine storyline there Anon. :^)

>>8046 I was thinking more like 40k with government issued wife bots. Kek but the matrix analogy works too.

>>8047 >that image search Lol.

>>8048 Thx it was the third image I pulled up when I searched for Cyberdong.

>Ex utero mouse embryogenesis from pre-gastrulation to late organogenesis >Abstract >Establishment of the mammalian body plan occurs shortly after the embryo implants into the maternal uterus, and our understanding of post-implantation developmental processes remains limited. While methods for in vitro culture of pre- and peri-implantation mouse embryos are routinely utilized1,2, approaches for robust culture of post-implantation embryos from egg cylinder stages until advanced organogenesis remain to be established. Here we develop highly conducive ex utero post-implantation mouse embryo culture platforms, that enable appropriate development of embryos before gastrulation (E5.5) until the hind limb formation stage (E11). Late gastrulating embryos (E7.5) are grown in 3D rotating bottles settings, while extended culture from pre-gastrulation stages (E5.5 or E6.5) requires a combination of novel static and rotating bottle culture platforms. Histological, molecular, and single-cell RNA-seq analyses validate that the ex utero cultured embryos recapitulate in utero development precisely. This culture system is amenable to introducing a variety of embryonic perturbations and micro-manipulations that can be followed ex utero for up to six days. Establishment of a system to robustly grow normal mouse embryos ex utero from pre-gastrulation to advanced organogenesis represents a valuable tool to investigate embryogenesis, eliminating the uterine barrier to mechanistically interrogate post-implantation morphogenesis and tissue specification in mammals. www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03416-3 BTW, if you can obtain this, would you mind posting it here or somewhere for the rest of us Anon?

>>9215 >Ex utero mouse embryogenesis from pre-gastrulation to late organogenesis >related, in more layman's terms: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/2769/when-will-the-first-successful-entirely-artificial-extracorporeal-human-pregnancy-conclude/

We all know this is the only way robots will ever be mainstream and stop the thot problem.

>>9923 [...] putting them into robots doesn't make much sense. If we could build something like it, they would be outside of any body. It's difficult enough anyways, building robowaifus and wombs. Forget about combining them.

>>9923 >When What's your guess r/n Anon? Personally, I'm highly skeptical it will ever happen outside of absconding with biological systems that have already been designed to do this IE, some real Frankenstein-tier shit involving human female bodies. The vastly-complex cascade of physiological processes would all have to be solved -- correctly and in order -- for a tech-only solution to ever occur. Give us a billion years to work on it, then maybe. But even in that case I would be quite guarded in my predictions about our success. However, I don't think even a single one of all of us think we have that kind of time in this universe. >tl;dr When the Chinese do it, since they have no moral compunctions in general.

I don't think we'll get there either. Not enough time left to create something as complex as a fully artificial uterus. I give our species another century, tops. Sounds dramatic, I know. But just watch what happens when millions start dying in India and the Middle East from severe heatwaves every summer. EU is going to be completely swamped by refugees and social order there will break down. Probably something similar going to happen at the U.S-Mexican border. Libs will blame cons; cons will blame libs. Everyone at each other's throats. Russia knows this already; it's why they're tooling up and securing their borders. When the West finally implodes, our "leaders" will manufacture a narrative that blames Russia and China. Then we'll likely try and take everything down with us. Can't say who or if anything will survive. My money would be on the Russians to carry on though.

>>9932 I disagree. It's very unlikely that our species is going to die out. We are way to resilient. I don't want to go into speculations if the west will break down at some time soon. The important point is, that we can live much easier wherever we want, when we have robowaifus, robonurses and other robots in the house or in form of e.g. automatic supermarkets. Reclusion from society will also be much easier, even when we stay were we are. No one needs to go out to meet women or to have a fancy job, nor even live in a city. Having that said, I agree that the focus on artificial wombs with the same functionality as the original is probably misguided. Getting that tech is gonna take a while, and it's okay to take it into account for long term fantasies, but short term it's more important to find ways to use surrogates, which might have it's own issues. But then again, since this board is about technology and such topic would be rather about politics and legal issues, it's even not the right place here.

>>9934 Of course, WWIII (or re-population efforts afterwards) might actually be the catalyst for development of fully artificial wombs. After all, an organic one cannot grow babies very well in an irradiated environment. But a uterus that is either protected inside a machine...or IS a machine...that might become a necessity for the survival of humankind in a post-apocalyptic wasteland? Question is how badly we nuke ourselves and if there is enough surviving infrastructure and technology left afterwards. Otherwise it might just be dark ages for centuries. I just hope I die before the shit kicks off for reals.

>>9934 >But then again, since this board is about technology and such topic would be rather about politics and legal issues, it's even not the right place here. Not to dissuade you from that viewpoint Anon (I wish it were true myself), I think you'll discover here that the whole topic in general touches on so many different widely-varied topics (for example, cf. the current discussion on so-called TITS Robowaifu teleoperations >>9712) that political, sociological, economic, military, even spirituality topics all come up. Basically the entire gamut of the human condition is affected by robowaifus (which is pretty amazing if you think about it, coming from a bunch of shitposting anons).

>>8007 >Larger brains require larger heads, and those are difficult to pass through birth canals. With a completely separate artificial womb this problem can be eliminated. Even better. Our sons will literally look like grey aliens from hollywood but with a mean IQ of 140. I for one embrace our future.

>>5021 And that's exactly what we're supposed to do. This way, we can rise our sons by ourselves and enlighten them so that they can carry on our work

i want a robowaifu like armitage. would a standalone unit be safer/better or should it be inside the robot

>>10278 I think the general consensus ITT is that a standalone unit will be the safest and most practical. Both for the babies and the robowaifus. Personally, I'm highly skeptical it will even be possible, so my advice is 'don't hold your breath anon'. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, who knows? But you can be certain that as long as things proceed the way they are in the West r/n, it's extremely unlikely you or I would be permitted to freely own an artificial womb unit and produce our own kids. If they ever do come, they will be both outrageously expensive, and outright illegal for anyone outside the globohomo ultra-elite to own them.

Artificial wombs might come faster as we thought. The Israelies are pushing it, they just made progress with the early part of the progress, while the later one was already kind of covered by the Japanese in 2013 and others since then. >In a study published in the journal Nature, Dr. Jacob Hanna described removing embryos from the uteruses of mice at five days of gestation and growing them for six more days in artificial wombs. Also, if you missed it: >A recent development provides another opportunity. Researchers have directly created mouse embryos from mouse fibroblasts — connective tissue cells — making early embryos without starting with a fertilized egg. https://web.archive.org/web/20210512135903/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/17/health/mice-artificial-uterus.html https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03416-3 >The establishment of a system for robustly growing normal mouse embryos ex utero from pre-gastrulation to advanced organogenesis represents a valuable tool for investigating embryogenesis, as it eliminates the uterine barrier and allows researchers to mechanistically interrogate post-implantation morphogenesis and artificial embryogenesis in mammals. (2013, the later stage) https://bioengineer.org/artificial-womb-born/ Via Sandman, including his annoying paranoia and some news on his Sexbot idea (TITS related >>9709) https://youtu.be/jA5GFwyMkRQ

>>10668 **than we thought

>>10668 Thanks for the update Anon. Were the mice subsequently brought to full viability, or were the embryos destroyed (ie, it was simply a test of ex utero growth at all) ?

>>10675 The new method covers the first few days and they were developing and testing that method. They want to use it to understand that part of pregnancy better. They might test the full route to birth at some point.